Buy $800K house in Phoenix now or keep renting at $3.6K/month?

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      Need 4.5 mil to retire at age 55 (expected annual expense of 180K/yr in retirement* 25).
      Currently at 2.5 mil with 7 yrs to go. Savings spread over 401k, brokerage, HSA, Roth IRA- mostly in S&P 500 index funds.

      I am wanting to buy a house in Phoenix where we recently moved. For what we need, houses are priced at ~800K. Good idea pulling the trigger on this or continue renting?

      I have 180K in HYSA to pay the 20% down but it will dent the emergency fund. I pay 3600/month for the house we are renting.

      The house we own (in a different city) is rented out that generates a net monthly income of 2.5 K/month.

      Did I miss any important info for valueable input from this community?

      Thanks.

      #131638 Reply
      Marc

        Sell the old house and use that equity

        #131639 Reply
        Chester

          why would you need 180k a year.. I think you rover shooting that.. unless you want a 10K a month morgage?

          #131640 Reply
          Jule

            Questions:
            – How much is your annual income?
            – How much do you save and invest a year?

            Also, for early retirement, I’d calculate 30x your needed income.

            #131641 Reply
            Morris

              If your investments on average make 10%, I think they double around every 7 yrs, n that’s not considering the continued investments you will do in the meantime.

              That means you should have aroung $5m+ by then.

              I might be wrong but am going by the rule of 72.

              #131642 Reply
              Anony

                How do u plan to get 4.5mil from 2.5 mil in 7 years span? I don’t think that is enough time.

                #131643 Reply
                Anca

                  I would strongly encourage living in a low COL area. $800k is a bit ridiculous

                  #131644 Reply
                  Yen

                    I think house prices will continue to drop esp in places that rose a lot during pandemic. However you’re already paying $3600 a month.

                    I would hard negotiate to get down to like $700k and see what happen and see if you can get variable rate for a few years in the 4% rate range

                    #131645 Reply
                    Nguyen

                      Anyway, I don’t see how you can FIRE while carrying debt. $800k sounds reasonable to me with what you have, assuming you can pay off the house in 7 years.

                      #131646 Reply
                      Heather

                        Do a little research on housing market in PHX area- I live here and we are still way above national average of over inflated housing prices/ costs.

                        This is one housing market I’d be willing to wait and time-
                        Things are shifting quickly right now- and vacant homes are starting to pop up all over my neighborhood again – prices are being forced down.

                        A shift is coming – soon- I hate for you to buy near the height of this housing bubble. (Just my I observation of living in PHX area last 17 years.

                        #131647 Reply
                        Brandy

                          If our house was paid off, it would change our retirement plans dramatically. I believe in leverage, but pulling the trigger when you are paying $3600 / mo in rent is unsettling.

                          The only way to lock in a housing cost is to buy.

                          I am a real estate investor turned agent in the Phx metro area. For years and years, even before Covid, everyone’s been saying, prices can’t last, they’ve got to come down etc etc.

                          They have come down post-Covid run up, but still in line with average appreciation numbers for our area established well before Covid’s overheated market.

                          That being said, inventory is increasing and there are some good deals to be had. It’s a great time to buy right! Are there better deals ahead? Maybe.

                          Will the economy flounder, will interest rates come down unlocking pent up demand, will there be a slow down in relocations to the area, will the state turn from it’s job-attraction formula?

                          All maybes and all maybe nots.

                          You could try to time the market, hoping everything aligns for a market “crash,” all the while throwing $3600/mo away in rent. Many have done the same.

                          It’s been heartbreaking to watch my friends, family, and clients lose out on the appreciation that’s been steady since the Great Recession and even worse, be priced out of ownership all together.

                          Given we’ve already had our post-Covid correction in the area and homes in desirable neighborhoods in good condition are still selling quickly with multiple offers (not ridiculously high like we were seeing in Covid, but still in demand), the idea of a “crash” seems unlikely without a major economic catastrophy or going to war. All the while, how much would you have lost in rent?

                          A year ($43k), two years ($86k), or even 3 years ($130k) until a crash occurs? A 20% loss in value is generally considered a crash – $160k of an $800k house.

                          You can see the math. By renting, you’re guaranteeing a loss, by buying, your gambling that there won’t be a crash or more accurately, that you won’t need to sell during that crash. (You only lose money when you sell in a down market, right?)

                          If you continue renting for 7 years, that’s $302k in GUARANTEED LOSS! In 7 years, we could have a crash and a full recovery and then some.

                          Obviously, there are other factors to consider, like quality of life, how long you’ll be in the home/area, your career field, opportunity cost of buying and renting, being aggressive to make the right deal on the right house, or downsizing your rent to offset the gamble of continuing to rent, etc, but in general, rent is a poor investment given all of the factors above.

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