How much should we save for retirement with $2.5M net worth, $80k/year?

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      How should one plan for retirement? I see a lot of people in the FIRE community use only the 4% rule. I don’t think this is the end all be all answer but a good place to start.

      I have listened to other more traditional retirement podcast and they say you should have different buckets for your base expense, fun things to do, long term care, etc.

      I am trying to find the in between to see roughly how much I would need for retirement.

      We are 33 and 32 years old and have a networth of roughly 2.5M with 2.2M in investable assests.

      We spend 80k a year.

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      Frank

        You have enough to live on, although you better be clear on what you really want to do if not working for money.

        You are correct that the 4% rule really only provides you with a conservative estimate how much you need.

        Meaning it should be more than you need if its properly managed.

        In terms of the mechanics of living off your money, there are essentially four levers you can pull: (1) portfolio construction; (2) employing variable withdrawal strategies; (3) intentionally underspending the portfolio and (4) side income.

        Believe it or not, the most prevalent strategy of good savers and just about every financial guru you ever heard of is actually the most disappointing and least compelling — namely (3) — i.e., “don’t spend money and continue to accumulate”, with or without side income.

        (Which implies that your ultimate goal in life is to die with the most money possible.

        Yes, its true – that is in fact what people are doing.) Side income is likely at your age, however.

        So the question is really, how do you want to approach this? You could resolve to simply “not spend money” and be done as many have done before you.

        For guidance, the recent book by Daniel Crosby (Soul of Money), along with many other sources such as Bronnie Ware’s Five Regrets of the Dying, suggests that money spent on the following yields the highest degree of life satisfaction:

        (1) Improving or expanding relationships; (2) Experiences (including but not limited to travel); (3) Work Avoidance — i.e., paying people to take care of stuff you don’t want to do; and (4) Gifting to charities or otherwise.

        What does not make the list is “spending more time working for money in a job I don’t really care for” and “not spending money so as to have the most money at death.”

        #115516 Reply
        Ryan

          Can I ask how in the world you have a 2.5m net worth at your age?! I’m thoroughly impressed and honestly interested in knowing how you got there.

          Thanks

          #115517 Reply
          Cody

            You should develop a comprehensive financial plan, either together as a couple or collaboratively with a financial planner.

            You have enough funds to be work-optional based on $80k annual after-tax spending, but there are other variables to consider, including tax-optimized investing/rebalancing, Roth conversions, distribution orders, health coverage, variable cash flows, and others.

            I recommend simplifying, but having earmarked accounts for specific purposes can provide additional clarity/confidence.

            What would you be retiring TO?

            #115518 Reply
            Eric

              That’s incredible. I’d also like to know the secret and what you did to get there so fast. I’m a lot older and worked super hard and not even close to that.

              I haven’t figured out how to withdrawal without penalties or losing my market place insurance policy.

              #115519 Reply
              Julia

                Financial planners say that people in retirement usually spend initially more money in the first few years, because they finally can do all of the things they wanted to, including travel, hobbies etc.

                However, usually with age people spend less money, even when accounting for increased medical costs.

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