Should we sell or rent our condo if we retire to volunteer abroad?

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      Can we retire to volunteer abroad? Should we sell our house? We are considering leaving our jobs ($350K / year) to volunteer at a school abroad.

      We would get a very small stipend but our kids could attend the school for free so I’m estimating our expenses would be max $40K per year. (Low cost of living country)

      Would it be better to sell or rent out our condo in HCOL area of US?

      I don’t think we could rent it for the full mortgage + condo fee so we’d probably lose $500/month renting it.
      3 years into 30 year mortgage 5.5 rate

      I think the numbers work. Am I missing anything?

      $800K in taxable brokerage

      $1.7 mil in retirement accounts

      #115498 Reply
      Haseeba

        The worry would be coming back and being priced out of the market if you don’t own something

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        John

          A couple things to think about though I agree with others that keeping the condo probably is not a good idea.

          The numbers definitely don’t make sense unless you foresee a lot of appreciation and even then I would assume I’m much higher loss per month than you’re probably thinking.

          The few things to consider are that you really don’t know what your expenses are in this other country so especially with two young kids I would be a bit more conservative in your expected expenses. How much is this stipend you’re expecting?

          Assuming the stipend is negligible I really don’t think you can afford this, you should be able to safely pull about 30,000 per year from your taxable brokerage and while you do have a lot saved for retirement, that’s not available until you’re of retirement age.

          Also keep in mind that if you do decide to come back you will have to rent for a while because you will have essentially no recent job history and not all that much saved up if you are eating into your brokerage.

          #115500 Reply
          Amy

            And I’ll bet that you didn’t figure in vacancies (probably 1 month a year), maintenance/repairs and property management fees into your losses.

            It’s likely to be a lot more than $500/month.

            And even if it is ‘only’ $500/month, that will increase your annual living expenses by 15% Sell and don’t look back.

            #115501 Reply
            Erin

              Do you see yourself eventually coming back to your condo? Where is it located? If it’s a home that you would happily hold onto and you think you’d come back to, the answer may not be as straightforward as others think (even at a monthly loss).

              Many places become difficult to buy back into (eg, SoCal, etc). Markets can take a downturn, but in a strong housing market/locale, you’re often better off holding onto a property in the long run, even when taking into account significant dips in the market.

              Depending on where you are located, what size unit you own, and the type of tenant you get, you may not have such long vacancies.

              Condos are often much easier to turn over, often requiring less work and time than a single family residence.

              We’ve often turned condo units in one day, but we self-manage and start showing and advertising an available property 60 days out if a tenant doesn’t sign a lease renewal.

              We also require a minimum of 700 credit score and have found our tenants tend to take good care of our properties.

              Would you mind sharing what country you are planning to move to? We are currently traveling with our four year old and it’s much more challenging than we thought.

              We are planning to cut our time a year short and I’m really glad we have our home to go back to, albeit, not until next fall, but it would be harder if we didn’t have it at all.

              You and your kids might thrive abroad, but you also might find it’s not a great fit for you.

              If you give yourself a year or two to make that decision, you could still take advantage of the tax break when you sell (assuming you’re in the US).

              #115502 Reply
              Rick

                No way I would hold a $500/month losing property as a rental. It’s more likely a $1,500/month loss or more after true long term (and living away) landlord expenses.

                Instead, unlock that equity and invest it in stock market assets and go have fun abroad.

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                Cari

                  Condos don’t appreciate like single family homes, so I would sell.

                  #115504 Reply
                  Krystal

                    I would keep it for the first year and if you’re happy abroad, then you can sell.

                    We have moved overseas twice and returned to our home each time.

                    We rent it out via Furnished Finders though and don’t take any losses though, just break even to cover the expenses.

                    #115505 Reply
                    Scott

                      If you are not coming back I don’t see a reason to keep the condo. It is possible that it would make sense, at least temporarily, to invest the sale proceeds somewhat conservatively in case this doesn’t work out and you plan to return to the USA.

                      It sounds like you are leaving a HCOL area and would return to a lower cost area so probably the cost of a home is less so you don’t need to park all the proceeds in T bills.

                      In a year or two you probably will have much better visibility.

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                      Tony

                        If it doesn’t cash flow there is 0% chance I keep it, UNLESS I plan on moving back in within 3 years.

                        #115507 Reply
                        Vannie

                          I was traveling in India and Thailand for months saw some Americans just live there for very low cost

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