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Hi! I heard from a friend about this strategy and on the fence on whether I should of it or not.
Apparently she maxes out her company’s 401k every year, then takes out a 401k loan and used it to fund her Roth IRA ( that’s in a separate brokerage account from work).
This year it’s a $7k for max Roth contribution.
Any seasoned FIRE members care to answer the pros and cons regarding this strategy?
JasonSounds like she’s trying to invest with leverage. She probably thinks that way she’ll have both the max deferral in the 401(k) invested and the Roth IRA invested.
In reality the 401(k) funds are liquidated and paid out to you, then you pay yourself back + interest.
A potential benefit is that you’re actually adding more than the deferral limit to the 401(k) because you’re adding that extra interest to it over the course of the loan term.
However, there’s typically a loan distribution fee that would negate part, if not all, of the benefits of this strategy.
You’d also be inadvertently market timing. Let’s say you request the loan, the funds are liquidated, and during the few days it takes for the funds to arrive so you can reinvest it in the Roth IRA the market jumps up 5%.
You miss out on those returns entirely.
So… Could it work? Sure… But at best you’re dollar cost averaging a tiny amount more than the deferral limit into the 401(k).
At worst you’re paying a fee for the privilege of missing out on market returns and adding unnecessary complexity to your investment strategy…
If you’re able to both reach the max and pay off the loan every year then you’re able to reach the max and fund the Roth IRA directly every year… The loan in the middle doesn’t make sense.
A couple minor corrections to other comments:
401(k) loans are not penalized for early withdrawal
You do have to pay back the loan + interest, but that interest goes to your 401(k) account, not the lender, so it’s not the same as paying interest on a bank loan.If you lost your job you’d have some time (though not a lot) to repay the loan before it’d be treated as an early withdrawal.
Some plans (very rare) also allow you to continue making payments after termination.
KurtMost 401(k) plans allow you to invest as much as you’d like up to the max contribution as after tax Roth contributions anyway.
So, if you can’t afford to max your plan and make a contribution to a Roth IRA, just do whatever portion of your 401 into Roth.
A lot easier and cheaper than doing loans.
StephanyThis is not a smart strategy. I don’t need to explain that it’s nonsense as several others have already pointed out.
Don’t listen to her.
MattYou still have to repay the loan and then usually there’s a waiting period to take another one. Maybe like 6 months.
So, you might as well just put the new money into the ira.
Seems complicated for no reason
MarkWhy would u do that. Thats like using a Credit card to invest. Borrowing money to invest. 10% penalty off the bat for early withdrawal then u have to pay back the loan plus interest.
There’s nothing to be on the fence about. Don’t do this. All cons. No pros.
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